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CSX 419 & 411 with loaded coal train V605 stalls coming off the Salsbury Branch just outside Meyersdale, PA. The engineer informs the dispatcher that they have no sand. Watch closely as these two brutt AC4400 actually lunge, and bounce up and down trying to get traction coming up the steep grade of the branch to the mainline. With the locomotives in #8 notch, the hood doors viberate, and you can here the wheels grinding in the sand. It may be a slow video, but you will see what it takes to get this train rolling. The crew in the helper engines never left the comfort of their warm cab in the 19 degree weather. The crew, and some railfans hand sand the rails, and V605 backs up to get a second run for it, and finally makes it out. The whole ordeal to well over an hour. There is now a second clip (PART II) of the progress of the train heading west before it heads east to Cumberland, MD. Hope you enjoy it, and thanks for watching. jackmp294 01-04-2003 Link to PART II... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Miwu8hWVOVs here is the link to smooth running of V605 down the other side of Sand Patch after meeting the west bound K111 slab train.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxR6Gr2-wPs
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is th screeching and ringing the noise of wheel slip
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"Forgot to fill the sanders". OOPS!!! Out of a job? Sure hope so. Helper engine crew sits and watches? OOPS!!! Out of a job? Sure hope so. An hour lost.
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To those who don't know sand=traction on wet rails.
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Put an Allegheny as the lead engine, it has good adhesion, and add another locomotive at the back and it should be good to go.
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Also of note: That's a Yellow Nose ONE SD50!!
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does that guy really think that small handfuls of sand will help?
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Apparently nobody did the equipment check and walk around that I always make myself do before I even move.
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I need to know the whole story. Where the crew signed up. Were the locomotives already coupled to train. How long train was sitting there etc..I am not going to read all of the comments to find this if this information is in the comments. Give me this and I will give my expert opinion as to how I would have handled the situation. I am not badgering or trying to insult anybody. Just wanting to help people who are not locomotive engineers,understand how things work in real life on railroading. -
True determination.
Ask any railroad employee in the country. Nothing stops the railroad. Nothing. Not twenty feet of snow, not locomotive failure, not even running out sand. True mountain railroading is a tough challenge that these people have accepted. I salute those who control these marvels of technology. -
I enjoy the competition. Keep the responses coming.
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No I did not,my bad. I am new to you tube,did not know there was a notation.Its pathetic that there was no sand on locomotives. Still it's hard to believe that there was no sand in any of the sand boxes on both locomotives.If you read both of my comments this is where PRIDE comes into play.If so, that railroad has a terrible mechanical department.Do you know how much sand the sand boxes hold.Also is that what the engineer says. Is this an assumption. I am not looking for an argument over this,and I am not looking to offend anyone. Tell me the whole story of what went on,from when the crew signed up and when they got on the locomotives. Then I will give you my give my expert opinion. PS I don't believe that both locomotives had no sand in any of the sand boxes. I blame the railroads,trying to save money buy not having a assistant engineers on all freight trains for at least five years to get the on the job training so when they get promoted to engineer they are confident in their job. I was very fortunate. I was a fireman ( assistant engineer) for 8 years. When I got permanently promoted to locomotive engineer my only worry was that I might have to work the extra list. The engineers training program that the railroad I worked for is one of the best in our country. I would always get trainees. One time I had this trainee that was supposed to be the best person to ever come out from this training program, I didn't give this person an excellent report. The head of the training program spoke to me and asked why I gave this person a poor report. I told the head of the training department that just because this person got the best test scores ever during the schooling part of the L.E.T.P. Doesn't make this person a good engineer. When this person got promoted(passed the training program) their first assignment this person was afraid to move their train and resigned. Like I said I am not looking for an argument.Just my expert opinion.
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Now that's where PRIDE comes into play.I as a retired locomotive engineer,5th generation railroader.I would have brought my locomotives over to the engine house,told the foreman to get his lazy laborer out and put sand in my locomotives and make sure that the sanders are working,or as me having PRIDE in my job would have done this myself.Nothing against you, but do you see the key word PRIDE.That word I am afraid has been lost in most of the workforce in our country.As you may see I am bored,and could tell you some great stories about my experiences on the railroad,going above my job and getting the job done SAFELY and efficiently. I was called a company man buy many.I was. I never told on anyone or got anybody in trouble.I made my crew do their job and if they didn't like it. I would make their lives miserable,so they would go onto another job.We had 3 crew members on our yard jobs.After i got a good crew that did their jobs(PRIDE).We were like living gods.All bosses and other railroaders,had nothing but respect and admiration for our crew.Got to go,thanks for responding.
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Yup that's how we railroaders roll
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To CKT1201 the sand in 100% dry how can it freeze.How can all the sanders not be working.(PLEASE)
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Adding sand from a grocery bag.Please, why aren't the sanders on the locomotives working. When those locomotives detect wheel slip the sanders to come on automatically.Either no sand on locomotives or the automatic sanders did not work,or the locomotive engineer does not know how to operate their train.The locomotive engineer can activate sanders manually,front sanders only or all sanders on.If the locomotives weren't on the train and the crew came from there sign up location which I suspect.I would have checked the sanders before I left the pit.So now that I make sure the sanders are working and the sand boxes are full on my locomotives.I would have pre-sanded the rail going into the siding.
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No automatic sand feeder ...?
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put one big heavy steamlokomotive on that week diesellok.
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Fascinating. I could not believe the guy putting handfuls of sand from a plastic baggie onto the track. Never seen (or imagined) such a thing. Shows how the physics of the train and its connection to the rails can depend on the most minute elements and aspects. Reminds me of a video on the history of the Japanese bullet trains, and the explanation of how the re-engineered traditional wheels and angle at which they meet the rails in order to handle the high speed. Thanks for posting.
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Reading through the comments. AC motors will burn out when stalled or running at very low speeds, unless the forced cooling is adequate and currents are carefully monitored and controlled. A banker locomotive at the back would have clean rails after all wagons had passed, and be very effective IMO.